SO AT WHAT POINT DID YOU STOP COLLECTING TITHE?
Many years ago, over 10 years ago.
WHAT HAPPENED?
I understood this message, I understood this reality, I came to my church and I told them the truth. I apologized to them for the time I was busy drumming tithing, ‘if you don’t pay tithe you will die, if you don’t pay tithe it will be tight, if you don’t pay tithe, you will have accident, because that’s the law, that’s the Old Testament. I preached all of that, but I preached it in ignorance. I didn’t know, it was what I was taught that I preached. But when I sat down and I looked at the scriptures properly, I looked at the scriptures in the light of Christ and I studied my Bible well, I discovered it was not true, I came to my church, I apologized and my church forgave me and they were willing to hear what I had to say. I began to show them scripture upon scripture, and we stopped the tithe and I began to teach my people generosity. I mean the transition period was rough; it was very rough because the people didn’t know what to do again. So I had to take time and teach, but over the years they have understood the truth of the gospel. Now our people give far, far more than they used to give when they were giving under the yoke of tithing and they gave joyfully and they are happier and they love me more because I was honest with them and I told them the truth.
THERE ARE TWO other doctrinal teachings of yours that have also been seriously criticized. One is on water baptism, the other one is on Holy Communion. Talk to us about these?
Well, you know the thing is, ministers need to really calm down and look at the Bible very well; really, really calm down. In fact, I recommend that we need to go to proper Bible schools and beyond Bible school, ministers need to spend enough time to study the Bible well so that we don’t mislead people, we don’t make people run the race that they are not supposed to run.
Water baptism was initiated by John, that’s why he’s called John the Baptist because he is the founder of water baptism, so there are questions we need to ask, why was John baptizing people? In John chapter one from verse twenty-seven to thirty-two, John said the one who sent me to baptize, he said upon whom you shall see the spirit descending like a dove, he said for this purpose am I come, baptizing with water that I may show forth Jesus to Israel; he said I was with him but I knew him not. Which means water baptism was given to John the Baptist to use in identifying the Christ. Jesus and John were cousins but John didn’t know that Jesus was Jesus, it was water baptism that identified it, then John said I indeed, I John, I baptize with water, but the mightier than I when he comes he will not use water, he will use holy spirit, which means my water is symbolic of holy spirit, which the mightier than I will use, but I will use water to identify him, once he shows up I will decrease, he will increase. Which means the aim for water baptism was to identify Jesus. Once Jesus was identified in water baptism, that was the end of it. That is why in Acts chapter one verse five, when Jesus was talking, he said you shall be baptized with the spirit not many days hence. So John the Baptist already put a disclaimer on water baptism. He said, I John, I use water but Jesus will not use water, he will use spirit, which means, what water was to John, is what the spirit is to Jesus. Remember, Ephesians chapter four verse five, brother Paul speaking doctrinally said, one faith, one spirit, one baptism. So a child of God is supposed to have one baptism, so if there is water baptism, and there is spirit baptism, and you are supposed to have one baptism, which baptism should a Christian have? Spirit baptism. So spirit baptism cancels water baptism because water baptism is symbolic of spirit baptism.
So which one cancelled Holy Communion, When Christ even said ‘do this in remembrance of me?’
Holy Communion is a whole different one, so let’s conclude water baptism then we can go to Holy Communion. Again, let me interject. All that I am doing here in this interview is not exhaustive and you know doctrinal matters require thoroughness, they require a lot of exegesis. So this does not substitute the place of exegesis, these are just teasers we are giving. But people need to go and study and we have materials on all of these subjects, in-depth teachings with scriptures, explaining itself. So water baptism does not make you a believer, and lack of water baptism does not make you an unbeliever.
The thief on the cross, if water baptism was that key to salvation, Jesus would have asked the thief on the cross to go down and be baptized with water first, but Jesus said to him, ‘today you will be with me in paradise.’ God doesn’t have double standards, which means all a man requires to be in heaven is faith in Christ, water baptism not required.
Now, I said that to move to your next point, what about Holy Communion? If you read the Bible very well, Genesis to Revelation, there is nothing like Holy Communion in the entire Bible, it’s not anywhere.
Breaking of bread is there.
That word, Holy Communion is not in the Bible. Breaking of bread is not Holy Communion, Holy Communion is not breaking of bread, there is also supper; the Lord’s Supper is not Holy Communion and the Lord’s supper is not breaking of bread, so what is Holy Communion?
Holy Communion is a coinage of the Catholic Church. It is taken from the word Passover, what we have in the Bible is the Passover, one of the seven feasts that Moses instituted for the Jews to point to Jesus. There is the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of Pentecost, the feast of the Passover. These were feasts that Israel were celebrating and Moses used it to point to what Jesus will do so that Israel will have it in their mind that Jesus was going to come and he was going to come for this purpose. But feasts were used as metaphor to communicate that reality. The full teaching on it is called discerning the Lord’s body. For the purpose of this, anybody who writes to our office, we will send a teaching for free so the person can go and listen carefully and study. The Passover was on before Jesus came; which means it was not introduced by Jesus. The Passover was a feast introduced by Moses that is part of Moses’ teaching ministry to the Jews, communicating the reality of Christ. In the Passover, there were four cups and those four cups were symbolic of restoration, deliverance, you know, I’ve forgotten the other two. But there were four cups, then, there were spices. Then, it was a whole feast, there was unleavened bread, that is bread that doesn’t have yeast, and because it was the law, it must be strictly observed and all of those were symbolic of what Christ will do and they continued that practice right into Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Again, remember I did a background, that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not New Testament; they are books of the law with new testament promises. That is why it continued but when Jesus was taking it with the disciples, he said to them, ‘I will no more do this with you people, until that day in my father’s kingdom, until that day in my father’s kingdom. You ask why did he say do this in remembrance. We need to understand that the word remembrance is not memorial, it’s not English. It’s Bible language. Remembrance there means ‘with the understanding of me.’ That is, when you are doing this, the understanding should be me, that is this is a pointer to me, now, if it is remembrance as memorial. You only do memorial service for the dead, you don’t do memorial for the living. Is Jesus dead or alive?
He’s alive.
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